Rick Santorum says John McCain doesn’t understand how torture works

What a freakin’ doofus!!!  I’m not a fan of Rachel Maddow or John McCain but c’mon Rick!!

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12 comments on “Rick Santorum says John McCain doesn’t understand how torture works

  1. I think we have a little misleading word play here. What Rick Santorum said is that McCain does not understand enhanced interrogation. Then we switch word. We equate torture with enhanced interrogation. Yet that is what the debate is is about. Is enhanced interrogation torture? Because McCain says it is that make it so? Since when?

    Just because he has been tortured does not make McCain an expert on torture. Just like everyone else, McCain still has to make his case. If we have a right to disagree with him on Constitutional issues, we can disagree on this one too.

  2. As far as whether they mean the same thing or not, if you call a duck a dog, it’s still a duck. “Enhanced interrogation” is nothing more than a PC term for torture, a word that Americans are more comfortable with. Not saying that there is anything wrong with using rougher techniques with suspected terrorists who are not American citizens; however, to deny that the practice exists is laughable. Another concern is, if the U.S. can ignore the Geneva Convention, how would we feel if other countries started doing the same to American citizens?

    • “As far as whether they mean the same thing or not, if you call a duck a dog, it’s still a duck. “Enhanced interrogation” is nothing more than a PC term for torture, a word that Americans are more comfortable with.”

      There’s your answer Tom.

      McCain is more of an expert on torture than Santorum is and I think he has already made his case.

      We have a right to disagree with anything and anybody any time.

      Cwat, unfortunately other countries have done the same to American Citizens, McCain being a prime example.

  3. There are a great many types of birds, and some are more ducky than others.

    Much of the controversy over enhanced interrogation revolves around waterboarding. Observe that as part of their training — just in case they are captured — we waterboard our own soldiers. Why? We do it to prepare our soldiers so they will be better able to understand and resist the abuses they suffer. Yet there is irony in this. If waterboard our own soldiers, when the enemy does it, how will we be able to accuse the enemy of torturing our soldiers. After all, before they did, we will have done it to the very same soldiers.

    So is waterboarding torture? I think that depends upon how we define torture, and we have not agreed upon a definition.

    What McCain is is an expert politician.

  4. Torture is when you intentionally inflict great bodily harm on someone else and put them in fear of their lives, I don’t think there’s any gray area here.

    1tor·ture
    noun \ˈtȯr-chər\
    Definition of TORTURE
    1
    a : anguish of body or mind : agony b : something that causes agony or pain
    2
    : the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
    3
    : distortion or overrefinement of a meaning or an argument : straining

    Who hasn’t agreed on the definition of torture? The same people who are inflicting the pain?

  5. So we torture our own soldiers. I am sure they will be glad to hear it. When we waterboard them, perhaps we should give them combat pay.

    Almost every time we put someone behind bars, particularly, in solitary, we meet your definition. To keep people in prison, we threaten them with death. Why is it truly so bad? While they are in prison, the prisoners must walk in fear each other.

    Are you ready to eliminate prisons?

  6. As far as I know, the waterboarding of our soldiers is only done to special forces as part of their training and they volunteer knowing that’s part of the training. For the govt to do it to all soldiers, yes, that’s torture and doesn’t say a lot for our govt.

    Prisoners aren’t being tortured they chose their path, they got a trial under the rules of our constitution and they have multiple opportunities to prove their innocence. That’s not torture, they knew the consequences before they committed the crime. If illegals commit crimes we give them a trial.

    When Obozo arrests and detains us without trial, per the National Defense Law, he’ll probably have us waterboarded too.

  7. But he did it illegally, he was living in Virginia at the time. Just because we’re loyal to our family doesn’t mean we have a right to break the law. He could certainly have afforded the private school on his own dime. So you don’t find someone pulling a scam to be objectionable?

  8. How that comment got there I have no idea. I wondered where it went to.

    Anyway, I think your defense of your definition of torture has become rather torturous. Terrorists don’t choose their path too? Military tribunals are not about as fair as we can make them? And prison camps? Think about what those poor terrorists (to whom the Geneva Convention does not apply) do to our people whenever they get the chance.

    Yet you worry about waterboarding? To tell the truth, I am not happy with it either, but I fear your concern will become a passing luxury.

    Some think war is hell because people suffer and die, but I wonder how many in this generation will learn otherwise. If our world continues to unravel, we will face harder choices, choices that make the hell of war. Whenever we are forced to fight, we must choose. We must discern the lesser evil. Whom do we kill? How do we kill them? Which of our brothers (and sisters) must we sacrifice to lead the charge? Which of us must kill or be killed?

    And when the violence finally seems to end, we must mourn and wonder. When does the guilt of the living subside?

  9. Weird! I usually just type my comments directly on a on other people’s blogs. But this evening I decided to use WordPress’ “Comments I’ve made”. It is not working too well. My comments are going to the wrong posts.

  10. “Anyway, I think your defense of your definition of torture has become rather torturous.”

    LOL, I was thinking the same thing about your defense of Santorum.

    You might want to ask the question of Santorum since he wants to be able to choose which of OUR brothers and sisters should go die in Iran.

    When it comes to politics we must also discern the lesser of evil.

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