Trayvon Martin shooting death — initial police reports

You should be able to click on the individual reports to enlarge, if not, go to the link at the bottom of this post and click on their reports, they will enlarge from there.

Tuesday, March 27, 2012

Trayvon Martin shooting death — initial police reports

Note that Zimmerman’s gun “was placed into evidence,” not returned to him as so many rumors had it.

Note  that Trayvon Martin’s weight is listed as 160 pounds, not the 140 pounds that you read all over, as in this lead paragraph from a Daily Beast story today.  His height is listed as 6 feet; George Zimmerman is listed at 5 feet 9 inches, but no weight is given.

Note the notation that the scene was secured with crime scene tape, and compare that to Jesse Jackson’s complaint, “They didn’t even bother to put yellow tape around the murder scene when he died, That’s how much the police did to find out what happened to this young boy.”

A transcript of Zimmerman’s first 911 call is here. CNN’s exhaustive effort to determine whether Zimmerman used the word “coon” in an audible sigh during that call is here. The latest story on Zimmerman’s account from the Orlando Sentinel is here.

By phoebe53 Posted in Crime

Justice Scalia invokes the 8th Amendment

Scalia Likens Reading Obamacare to Cruel and Unusual Punishment

March 28, 2012 2:46 pm

Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia humorously invoked the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids cruel and unusual punishments, when discussing the Obamacare legislation during oral argument today at the Supreme Court.

JUSTICE SCALIA: Mr. Kneedler, what happened to the Eighth Amendment? You really want us to go through these 2,700 pages?


JUSTICE SCALIA: And do you really expect the Court to do that? Or do you expect us to — to give this function to our law clerks?

Is this not totally unrealistic? That we are going to go through this enormous bill item by item and decide each one?


Full Audio of Supreme Court hearing on Obamacare Day 1 & 2

My personal feeling, if the court strikes this down is, the govt will expand Medicaid so that those now that don’t meet the current guidelines will be able to do so by the govt raising the income limit.  In the end we’ll have to pay anyway. 

Raw Audio: High Court Dissects Health Care Act

March 27, 2012

Full audio day 1

Full audio Day 2


Geraldo Rivera apologizes for Trayvon Martin hoodie comment

Published On: Mar 27 2012

Rivera had suggested slain teen’s hoodie was partially responsible for his death


Fox News Channel commentator Geraldo Rivera says he’s sorry for suggesting a hoodie worn by unarmed Florida teenager Trayvon Martin was as much responsible for his death as the neighborhood watch captain who shot him.

Rivera says it was a conversation with his oldest son that convinced him he was wrong. He says it was the first time 32-year-old Gabriel Rivera said he was ashamed of something his dad had said.

Geraldo Rivera said Tuesday he still believes urban parents should warn their children it could be dangerous to wear clothing that might appear menacing to people who don’t know them.

(And women, wear victorian era clothing to make sure you don’t get raped)

Martin was shot in Sanford, Fla., last month by a man who said he was acting in self-defense. The shooting has sparked national debate about self-defense legislation.
By phoebe53 Posted in Crime

George Zimmerman’s Lawyer refuses to do scheduled interview – video

I’m not a fan of Lawrence O’Donnell, not by any stretch of the imagination, but I was pointed to this video by one of my commenter’s and, being a fair minded person,  felt obligated to view it.  That being said, I found it interesting and informative.  O’Donnell certainly asked very good questions and many of us would like to have heard the answers.  Charles Blow from the NY Times made some excellent points, some of which I have tried to make myself.

It’s all about what constitutes self defense.  I believe that Zimmerman instigated the encounter by following and not identifying himself when given the opportunity and therefore loses his right to claim self defense under the “stand your ground” law.  The laws on “stand your ground” in every state specify that you cannot initiate the confrontation, if you could then there would surely be a lot more dead people around and we’d be the wild west all over again.  I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, just sayin’.

The point made by Mr. Blow is, did Trayvon have that same right to “stand your ground”?

By phoebe53 Posted in Crime

Profile of George Zimmerman – a bit overzealous

As cries for his arrest continue to grow louder, George Zimmerman‘s father defended him in a one-page letter, saying he isn’t a racist but rather of victim of sensationalized media coverage.

The neighborhood watch volunteer, 28, has been in hiding since he shot and killed unarmed Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old on his way back home to his father’s house.

His father, Robert Zimmerman, 64, said in a letter to the Orlando Sentinel that his son was Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family.


“He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever,” the letter says, according to the newspaper. “The media portrayal of George as a racist could not be further from the truth.”

He defended his son’s actions on the day that he got out of his car and shot the teen, despite being strongly discouraged by a 911 dispatcher.

“At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin. (That’s a total contradiction to the facts already out there and in George’s own words) When the true details of the event became public, and I hope that will be soon,” the letter said, “everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media.”

He said his family is “deeply sorry for the loss of Trayvon.”

“We pray for the Martin family daily. We also pray that the community will grieve together and not be divided by more unwarranted hate.”

As mixed as the accounts of the Feb. 26 shooting are, so are bits and pieces of George Zimmerman’s background have trickled out, painting a picture of a well behaved kid turned into a man who has aspirations of being a cop with a thread of 911 calls to his name.

In the neighborhood George Zimmerman grew up in, his former neighbors described him to the Washington Post as a “respectful” and religious kid who “didn’t play with the neighborhoods kids.”

“They had to stay home and play. It was always ‘Yes, ma’am,’ ‘No, ma’am,’ ” said Kay Hall, who lived across the streets from the Zimmermans in Manassas, Va.

In his high school yearbook in 2001, Zimmerman said he wanted to be a businessman, but by 2008 had shifted his plans and enrolled in Seminole State College, according to the Post.

He wanted, sources told the newspaper, to become a police officer.   (This explains his overzealous-ness)

He moved to Florida after high school with his family and the Washington Post reported that in 2004 he made 46 calls to the emergency line to report what he saw as dangerous incidents before finding himself in some of his own trouble with the law in 2005.

He later moved to the gated community where the shooting took place with his new wife, Shellie, a licensed cosmetologist, whom he married in 2007. By 2011, he became involved with some sort of neighborhood watch program and seemed to take the job extremely seriously.

The Daily Beast reported that between Jan 1, 2011, and the night she shot Trayvon Martin, he called 911 close to 50 times to report suspicious activity.

Neighbors told The Associated Press that he was often very helpful.

“The only impression I have of George Zimmerman is a good one,” Samantha Hamilton, who lived on the same street as Zimmerman for about a year, told the AP.

Others said while he seemed to have good intentions, he was often a bit overzealous on the job.

Some neighbors told the AP it seemed strange that he felt the need to carry a concealed weapon on the watch patrol, despite having a permit for it.

“That is crazy. That is totally crazy,” one neighbor added. “Why does he have to carry a gun? Something is totally wrong with that picture.”

By phoebe53 Posted in Crime

George Zimmerman’s Father Retired Judge

Robert Zimmerman, a former Orange County magistrate judge, recently wrote a letter to The Orlando Sentinel defending his son, who’s been dragged through the mud for shooting the unarmed 17-year-old last month. In the letter, the senior Zimmerman asks people not to jump to conclusions and insists that his son didn’t follow the young boy home as he walked through their gated community.

“He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever. The media portrayal of George as a racist could not be further from the truth. At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin. When the true details of the event became public, and I hope that will be soon, everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media,” wrote Robert Zimmerman.

Now more info is being dug up on his “victimized” son through public records and revealing his checkered past.

According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.

All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that’s a question Robert Zimmerman should answer.

By phoebe53 Posted in Crime

Transcript of interview with Zimmerman’s friend

Here is an excerpt from an interview between Local 6’s Kala Rama and Joe Oliver, friend of neighborhood watch leader George Zimmerman.

Local 6: Why would George go after him?

Oliver: “He saw a suspicious individual who was keeping an eye out so he could let the police know that last place that they saw him, that’s one, that’s why he would. Go back and take a look at the 911 tape and the dispatcher says ‘are you following him’ and he says ‘Yeah’ and the dispatcher says ‘We don’t need you to do that.’ Most of the time that is where it stops but George responds ‘OK.'”

Local 6: So do you believe he stopped?

Oliver:  “I believe he was heading back to his vehicle when Trayvon came up to him.”

Local 6: Can you describe the attack?

Oliver: “I can say how it was described in the paper was how it was described to me.”

Local 6: So his head was bashed in to the sidewalk numerous times and he was decked in the face?

Oliver: It started with a punch to the face that knocked him down. Take into consideration that this man is 6 feet, 2 inches hitting down on him.

Local 6: The way Sanford PD describes it is that he was attacked from behind as he had turned around and walked to his car.

Oliver: “There was a conversation between the two that started with Trayvon asking if he had a problem and when Geroge responded no, Trayvon responded with a punch saying you do now. What I have talked to George about is what I needed to know in order to put myself in this position. I wish I could say everything George told me but that is part of the investigation that is why we are heading to a grand jury.”

Zimmerman had the perfect opportunity to find out why Trayvon was there but instead, when asked if he had a problem, said “NO”.

This could have gone a whole different way if Zimmerman had just said, I’m the neighborhood watch and I haven’t seen you here before, mind telling me who you are and what you’re doing here?  By identifying himself he could have calmed the stressful situation.

They were both stressed and the adrenaline was running high on both sides, Zimmerman because he was trying to protect his neighborhood and Trayvon because he didn’t know why a strange man was following him.

To read the full transcript go to

By phoebe53 Posted in Crime